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You Bring Leo, I’ll Bring Diddy
By STEPHANIE ROSENBLOOM
Published: December 2, 2007

BEYOND a teak doorway on an unremarkable stretch of far West 17th Street, a hallway is faintly aglow. Carved into its black ceiling and walls are lines of nearly indecipherable script, each word painted with gold leaf, forming an excerpt from Darwin’s “Origin of Species.” At the hallway’s end, curvy leather banquettes outline a fanciful room where light fixtures fashioned from recycled bicycle tires evoke wizard’s caps, walls are upholstered in ostrich leather and mirrored open-air decks beckon from behind a fireplace.

This, pleasure-seekers, is 1 Oak, the approximately $3 million lounge that plans to open in the next two weeks. Named for its primary raw material and the almost-acronym “one of a kind,” it is a fitting place to contemplate what Darwin called “the struggle for life” — or, in this case, night life.

Financially, New York City’s night-life scene is thriving. Bars, lounges and dance clubs generate nearly $10 billion in revenue annually, according to the New York Nightlife Association. But the impresarios behind 1 Oak say the scene has become too crowded, corporate and homogenous. Even some of their competitors concede there are too many places and too many operators trying to do the same thing. In this volatile state of nature, it was perhaps inevitable that four veterans would combine their clout with the hope of ensuring their survival.

With a 250-person capacity, 1 Oak is intimate. Its opening, or rather nonopening, is being closely monitored by journalists and would-be patrons. New York Magazine has been publishing updates about the community board meetings. Its latest blog post said “according to an unbiased source, the lounge with full kitchen looks ‘beautiful.’” A post on Guest of a Guest, a New York culture and style Web site, reads: “Hopefully they can get things sorted out soon. We are anxious to head to 17th Street.”

It was during a family-style dinner in September at the Greenwich Village restaurant Butter that Richie Akiva, Scott Sartiano, Jeffrey Jah and Ronnie Madra, the owners of 1 Oak attempted to explain how their new venture would be a refuge from the bridge-and-tunnel marauders, gossip-column interlopers and Wall Street masters of the universe accustomed to buying their way past velvet ropes.

But it was Fashion Week and tableside distractions were frequent, and fetching. Models bent down for double-cheek kisses. Staff members materialized with seating queries.

“I need Djimon and Kimora to sit down 100 percent,” said Mr. Akiva, who along with Mr. Sartiano is an owner of Butter. “And Jay-Z is coming, too. I’ll put Jay-Z with me.”

Mr. Akiva, 30, met his 1 Oak business partners in the late 1990s when he was working at the Greenwich Village nightclub Life, where Mr. Jah, 38, was a promoter. Mr. Jah, who is also an owner of the nightclub Lotus, said Mr. Sartiano, 33, was hired as a promoter while Mr. Madra, 35, helped with special events. In 2002 Mr. Akiva and Mr. Sartiano partnered to open Butter. In 2006 they created G Spa & Lounge at the Hotel Gansevoort. Though there is an obvious strength in numbers, they were also drawn together by shared personal and professional goals.

For one thing, they are older and have been craving a kind of boutique space where bathrooms do not evoke frat houses, drinks are not served in plastic cups and fewer "little kids" crowd the room. The demitasse- and gold-hued 1 Oak has seating for about 150 beneath a curved wooden ceiling that looks like the belly of Noah’s Ark. The menu, created by Alex Guarnaschelli, the executive chef at Butter and a judge on “Iron Chef,” includes shrimp cocktail, pressed sandwiches, hot entrees and desserts like Richie Akiva’s Famous Cookie Plate With a Glass of Milk ($8).

“We’re looking to the future,” Mr. Madra said. “We want to have families and settle down.” This is true, at least, of Mr. Madra, who became engaged last spring.

Additionally, they all think there is an energy missing from after-hours New York, that it has gone astray from the days of Spy Bar and Moomba, where transvestites, starving artists and celebrities could rub elbows with a measure of privacy.

Other owners also acknowledge that the scene has become too diluted, and that clubs themselves are too commonplace. “There’s a lot of capital available by all the hedge funders, all the Wall Streeters,” said Noah Tepperberg, who has been in the business for 15 years and is an owner of Marquee. “They’re all making money and have nowhere to spend it.”

Noel Ashman, an owner of Plumm, agreed. “There are four places that have a decent thing going on,” he said, “but then you literally have 133 that don’t.”

The owners of 1 Oak said that it required a team to create the kind of environment they wanted. Mr. Jah, the most seasoned principal, said Mr. Sartiano excels at finance, Mr. Akiva has a knack for design and Mr. Madra is the music man. Their combined database of V.I.P.s including Leonardo DiCaprio, Sean Combs and Paris Hilton is “the sickest,” according to Mr. Madra. “This is like our ‘Field of Dreams,’” he said. “If we build it, they will come.”

Demolition for the lounge began in the spring. In short order came the pails of Sheetrock, the coiled wire, the dilapidated radio that crackled with “Fly Like an Eagle.” By mid-September a man in an orange New York County Jail T-shirt smoking Marlboros and eating cheese cubes was creating 1 Oak’s three-dimensional wall of golden letters that look as if they were pried off blocks in King Tut’s toy chest.

The black lacquer wood bar took at least 100 hours to embellish, said Robert LaVecchia, a general contractor. “My carpenter from Croatia did this,” he said, holding up a weighty bar leg as if he were a character in a game of Clue, clutching his murder weapon.

Seemingly mundane details were often a result of group decisions. In determining whether rope lights should be used to illuminate the underside of the bar, the partners and their designer, Roy Nachum (who worked on Justin Timberlake’s Southern Hospitality restaurant), experimented by skulking around in the dark by the glow of their BlackBerrys until Mr. Jah impatiently called out in the manner of the unseen director in “A Chorus Line”: “Can we have lights?”

Naturally, they have their differences. “We’re used to having things our own way,” Mr. Madra said. “You just have to scream at each other sometimes.”

What they all agree on is a policy of velvet egalitarianism at the door. People will have to earn their way past the ropes with an appealing personal style or disposition, Mr. Jah said, not a promise to pay for bottle service, as is the norm in many places.

“A class system is being instituted, and I don’t like it,” he said one autumn afternoon wearing a yellow T-shirt with the slogan “I’ve Got a Black Belt ... in Keepin’ it Real” and sipping ice tea in his meatpacking district restaurant, the Inn LW12.

Mr. Jah helped popularize bottle service in the early 1990s, but he said the practice began as a way to keep people at tables from having to cross a packed dance floor on the way to the bar. It was not intended, he said, to be a golden ticket into a tony lounge.

Mr. Sartiano lamented that in the days of Spy Bar, for instance, if someone approached you, “you knew they were cool because they got in.” No more.

So while 1 Oak will offer bottle service, “first you need to get in,” Mr. Sartiano said. “Then you need to be cool enough to get a table. Then you can get bottles. Somewhere it got switched.”

Mr. Ashman thinks 1 Oak’s partners will do “a great job” but said that “every year things happen it just gets harder and harder because there’s so many clubs and so many openings, the public just tunes out at a certain point.”

On a drizzly gray day last week a heater was keeping the chill out of 1 Oak. The floor, a Zebra-like zigzag of black and white wood, was still covered. There were gold Kohler faucets in the black tiled bathroom stalls, some of which twinkled with gold-flecked grout. Most were still in need of the gold-plated handgun artwork. The V.I.P. room was without its gold bullet art installation. The Louis XIV-inspired chairs were awaiting placement on a tiered seating area from which to see and be seen. More significantly, the chairs were awaiting bodies.

This is what limbo looks like.

The owners of 1 Oak had hoped to open in September but still lacked full approval from the community board and the city buildings department. This month, Mr. Akiva and Mr. Sartiano learned they are being sued by a developer, Emilio Barletta, who claims he holds the lease to 453 West 17th Street, home to 1 Oak. Mr. Sartiano and Mr. Akiva said they intend to countersue. Mr. Sartiano promised he would be open this month.

He touched a silver nailhead on one of the banquettes. He had tried to bang in a few himself, but quickly discovered the process was far more difficult than he had anticipated.

He looked at Mr. Akiva: “I’m retiring after this.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/02/fashion/...amp;oref=slogin
abbe
i remember having a conversation not so long ago with my old boss, the former GM of SpyBar. i pretty much was lamenting the same thing-- there hasn't been a place that 'cool' since.
and he'd retorted, "Spy is dead. get over it."
sad.gif

i just think it's kinda funny-- if i'm not mistaken, "Spy" is the name most invoked whenever any new aspiring hotspot impresario claims he wants to bring sexy back to nightlife.



we'll see i guess.
abbe
oh and: ronnie-madra is engaged ?? to whom ?? is it an indian girl à la vikram-chatwal or is he actually in looooooove ?!

just curious.
abbe
oh !! and much more importantly:

WHO'S RUNNING 1OAK ??
NYC Guy
QUOTE (abbe @ Dec 1 2007, 04:44 PM) *
oh !! and much more importantly:

WHO'S RUNNING 1OAK ??


A 'committee of many managers' which should result in chaos for sure...
NYC Guy
QUOTE (abbe @ Dec 1 2007, 04:36 PM) *
i remember having a conversation not so long ago with my old boss, the former GM of SpyBar. i pretty much was lamenting the same thing-- there hasn't been a place that 'cool' since.
and he'd retorted, "Spy is dead. get over it."
sad.gif

i just think it's kinda funny-- if i'm not mistaken, "Spy" is the name most invoked whenever any new aspiring hotspot impresario claims he wants to bring sexy back to nightlife.



we'll see i guess.

"95, '96, '97 it was Spy. Anyone who calls it the later name Spy Bar were definitely people who NEVER got inside during the years it mattered. Just a very important point because it was a deliberate decision during a discussion prior to opening in Autumn, '95 to name it Spy. That name was officially trademarked and registered as the d/b/a. Several locations around the US and one in Stockholm had to change their names. True.

Most people I encounter who use the name Spy Bar were people I NEVER saw inside.
abbe
QUOTE (NYC Guy @ Dec 2 2007, 12:35 PM) *
"95, '96, '97 it was Spy. Anyone who calls it the later name Spy Bar were definitely people who NEVER got inside during the years it mattered. Just a very important point because it was a deliberate decision during a discussion prior to opening in Autumn, '95 to name it Spy. That name was officially trademarked and registered as the d/b/a. Several locations around the US and one in Stockholm had to change their names. True.

Most people I encounter who use the name Spy Bar were people I NEVER saw inside.


okay, excuse me:


QUOTE (abbe @ Dec 1 2007, 04:36 PM) *
i remember having a conversation not so long ago with my old boss, the former GM of Spy. i pretty much was lamenting the same thing-- there hasn't been a place that 'cool' since.
and he'd retorted, "Spy is dead. get over it."
sad.gif

i just think it's kinda funny-- if i'm not mistaken, "Spy" is the name most invoked whenever any new aspiring hotspot impresario claims he wants to bring sexy back to nightlife.



we'll see i guess.


tongue.gif
abbe
QUOTE (NYC Guy @ Dec 2 2007, 12:27 PM) *
A 'committee of many managers'

oh geezus.
like LW12 you mean ?

translation (??): "a committee of nobody knows what the fuck's going on"
NYC Guy
QUOTE (abbe @ Dec 2 2007, 01:41 PM) *
oh geezus.
like LW12 you mean ?

translation (??): "a committee of nobody knows what the fuck's going on"



Each "owner" has his "own" manager as it was explained laugh.gif to me, sheeshhh...sounds like it's gonna be a lotta fun to be an employee there...
Inkslinger
QUOTE (NYC Guy @ Dec 2 2007, 11:47 PM) *
Each "owner" has his "own" manager as it was explained laugh.gif to me, sheeshhh...sounds like it's gonna be a lotta fun to be an employee there...

If that doesn't sound like a complete disaster, I don't know what does. So, in other words, none of the partners or investors trust each other, that they have to have their 'own manager' to spy on each other?
rolleyes.gif

I don't know what's going at Butter, but the fact that all the bartenders suck must mean that the management's not that great. (The door sucks now anyway, since Henry left.) Lotus in the very beginning was also a complete mess. A friend of mine that worked there said that they had so many nepotism issues, and that's why alot of their staff sucked. And Double Seven? rolleyes.gif No further comment. And yeah, The Inn at LW12th is a complete wreck.
john.smith
QUOTE (abbe @ Dec 1 2007, 04:36 PM) *
i just think it's kinda funny-- if i'm not mistaken, "Spy" is the name most invoked whenever any new aspiring hotspot impresario claims he wants to bring sexy back to nightlife.


curvy leather banquettes outline a fanciful room where light fixtures fashioned from recycled bicycle tires evoke wizard’s caps, walls are upholstered in ostrich leather and mirrored open-air decks beckon from behind a fireplace.
This, pleasure-seekers, is 1 Oak, the approximately $3 million lounge

The floor, a Zebra-like zigzag of black and white wood, was still covered. There were gold Kohler faucets in the black tiled bathroom stalls, some of which twinkled with gold-flecked grout. Most were still in need of the gold-plated handgun artwork. The V.I.P. room was without its gold bullet art installation. The Louis XIV-inspired chairs
john.smith
$3M on construction already does not = spy....................................cost can only be recouped with banker/bottle crowd.......................................not even Box can make money on just cool crowd.....................................
MILFweed
QUOTE (john.smith @ Dec 3 2007, 11:59 AM) *
$3M on construction already does not = spy....................................

Leo and Diddy (or the Olsen twins or Lohan or Hilton or Kimora or Jay-Z) does not equal cool either. If the same celebrities are seen at all the 'cool' places then that does not make the places cool. Show me Mick Jagger next to Jerry Seinfeld next to Kevin Spacey next to Stevie Wonder like you used to see at Spy and then maybe I'll agree the place is cool.
Dick Johnson
QUOTE (NYC Guy @ Dec 2 2007, 12:35 PM) *
"95, '96, '97 it was Spy. Anyone who calls it the later name Spy Bar were definitely people who NEVER got inside during the years it mattered. Just a very important point because it was a deliberate decision during a discussion prior to opening in Autumn, '95 to name it Spy. That name was officially trademarked and registered as the d/b/a. Several locations around the US and one in Stockholm had to change their names. True.

Most people I encounter who use the name Spy Bar were people I NEVER saw inside.

Are you sure about that? Sartiano would have been 20 and Akiva, 17, back then. rolleyes.gif

LOL.
abbe
QUOTE (Dick Johnson @ Dec 3 2007, 04:02 PM) *
Are you sure about that? Sartiano would have been 20 and Akiva, 17, back then. rolleyes.gif

ee heee

okay whatever. so they weren't even old enough to drink. that doesn't mean they couldn't get in !

maybe they were rolling with bijou-phillips ! wasn't she only 16 when she chopped off that guy's fingertip with the cigar cutter ??

hahahhahahahaa
aahh good times good times
NYC Guy
[quote name='Dick Johnson' date='Dec 3 2007, 04:02 PM' post='4131']
Are you sure about that? Sartiano would have been 20 and Akiva, 17, back then. rolleyes.gif

LOL.
[/quote


mmm. ok Scott came in with Johnny Calvani once and remembered my face and approached me at Columbia when I was in grad school (he was an undergrad than)...I told him to speak with the doorman (King). I do recall King saying "he was outside every night" years later...

Richie did come in but only with his gf at the time and never alone. There was no posse in those days for him. They did n ot know each other in those days.

Yes Bijou was in her teens but enough was enough and had to go. Eventually she was back though...
Bartender
QUOTE (john.smith @ Dec 3 2007, 11:59 AM) *
$3M on construction already does not = spy....................................cost can only be recouped with banker/bottle crowd.......................................not even Box can make money on just cool crowd.....................................

Exactly! All the new places have all said the same thing about not wanting to attract the banker crowd, even as far back as when NA opened. But they all turn B and T preety fast. rolleyes.gif
NYC Guy
QUOTE (Bartender @ Dec 4 2007, 01:19 PM) *
Exactly! All the new places have all said the same thing about not wanting to attract the banker crowd, even as far back as when NA opened. But they all turn B and T preety fast. rolleyes.gif



Spy was built upon the bones of a defunct French supper club. Total expenditures: furnishings, lighting, labor, signage was just about 75-80 K. An old NYS Sales Tax bill approaching 600K was paid down clear within 8 months.

There was no bottle service as it is known today, however many purchased bottles of champagne and at times liquor. Bottle service was already starting in a few places but it was trashy to me than (as it is now). I do remember my doorman saying he had 2 automatic rules for no entry: "I wanna buy a table" "I'm up here from South Beach" and than the usual: white shoes, shiny shirts, wearing anything from Club Monaco or Armani X and my personal: 'men with beards' were frowned upon (unless you had a sufficient reason to have one such as a Greek monk) Ask Salman Rushdie, it took him close to a week to come inside.

I think this is what people mean when they lament about the 'old days".

Whatever. Times change. The past is gone.
abbe
QUOTE (NYC Guy @ Dec 4 2007, 05:10 PM) *
There was no bottle service as it is known today, however many purchased bottles of champagne and at times liquor.


yes but (in terms of liquor, anyways) when a good customer purchased a bottle and didn't finish it, WE HELD IT. right down in the cabinet behind the bar, with the person's name on a strip of masking tape.

big disctinction.


oh and at Spy, all the celebrities PAID their checks.
abbe
QUOTE (NYC Guy @ Dec 4 2007, 05:10 PM) *
I think this is what people mean when they lament about the 'old days".

to some extent. but when i "lament," i don't just cry for Spy-- i miss peter-gatien too.

god bless those fucking freaks, but there WAS a time when it was cute to watch alig and richie-rich and angel and lepore and kenny run around town like circus clowns. they complemented nightlife and vice versa.
of course people will always say back then there was the drugs and the seediness (and even the murder, god rest that poor kid's soul) blah blaaah, but to this day i still think it was better to push your way through the transvestite hookers than to navigate the swarms of idiots on 27th now.
girls and boys are still getting raped/beaten and men are still falling down elevator shafts anyway.
NYC Guy
[quote name='abbe' date='Dec 5 2007, 11:09 AM' post='4152']
yes but (in terms of liquor, anyways) when a good customer purchased a bottle and didn't finish it, WE HELD IT. right down in the cabinet behind the bar, with the person's name on a strip of masking tape.

big disctinction.


oh and at Spy, all the celebrities PAID their checks.



Yes indeed. Paying your check was the measure of that person in my eyes. There was never a question about comping a celebrity. Why would I? I never heard a beef ever.

I remember Russell Simmons coming in with 7 models and ordering 8 bottles of Saratoga Water which came to $40 before tax and tip (he does not know the practice) or better yet does not tip period.

He complained to me that "I can get these at the corner deli for .50 cents each"

My answer was "good for you but you ain't at the corner deli"

He paid the check, stiffed the waitress.
A real POS.

Happy to see his ex is grabbing everything from him.

Old saying: 'shit travels with shit' so they were made for each other anyway.
Dick Johnson
QUOTE (NYC Guy @ Dec 5 2007, 02:27 PM) *
I remember Russell Simmons coming in with 7 models and ordering 8 bottles of Saratoga Water which came to $40 before tax and tip (he does not know the practice) or better yet does not tip period.

He complained to me that "I can get these at the corner deli for .50 cents each"

My answer was "good for you but you ain't at the corner deli"

He paid the check, stiffed the waitress.
A real POS.

Happy to see his ex is grabbing everything from him.

Old saying: 'shit travels with shit' so they were made for each other anyway.

LOL.

Unfortunately, there's another old saying: 'The rich get richer...' sad.gif
abbe
well 1OAK is pretty but it didn't seem like Spy to me at all. it's a little smaller than i expected too-- somehow all the photos and whatnot make it seem bigger.

supposedly they're "not quite fully open yet" whatever that means. and apparently they are planning on making it a restaurant too. they are "trying to keep it DL for now" so they have been "keeping away from the bloggers. noooooooo bloggers." ha ha ha ahaa

the doorman did ask me straightaway if i wanted "a table to get a bottle" in case anyone is wondering. but ronnie-madra himself very kindly offered me a table even though i only had cocktails so i guess maybe it is sorta Spy-ish in that way.

i thought the deejay was decent but for the life of me i cannot understand why they all keep insisting on mixing hippityhop with countryrock these days.

there was a total mishmosh of different kind of peoples in there but i did think it was totally amusing how they all picked their corners like in high school. for example, one corner was banker types with their bottles of champagne and in the opposite corner was hipsters with their "vintage" clothing ang bug eyed sunglasses and nothing to drink cuz they're fucking poor as dirt and drinks are $18 each (at the bar. $22 at the table-- figure that shit out). then in the other corner was your ('familiar') nightlife denizens and then in the other corner by the fireplace was the middle easterners with their slick hair and jewelry. and then in some other other corner were the Soprano wannabees in their suits.

i left at 12:30AM so if there were any models and actors and stars (oh my) later ons, i wouldn't know.


whatever. i'm just sayin.
MILFweed
A friend of mine said he went to check it out. He said at first they gave him a hard time at the door but they told him he cold come in if he buys a bottle. Then his friends showed up and they all got in but they were told tables are for bottle service only. They only stayed about 20 minutes. He said he wasn't impressed and the music sucked.
Ferret-n-Chicken!
QUOTE (MILFweed @ Jan 21 2008, 11:19 AM) *
A friend of mine said he went to check it out. He said at first they gave him a hard time at the door but they told him he cold come in if he buys a bottle. Then his friends showed up and they all got in but they were told tables are for bottle service only. They only stayed about 20 minutes. He said he wasn't impressed and the music sucked.

Yea what's the deal???? I though tthey said they only wanted cool people and that they wouldn't require bottle service???? But I keep hearing the samr thing, that it's all b.s. 'cos all the tables are just for bottles and the crowd is notthat cool. dry.gif rolleyes.gif
virgo
went there. tried it. hated it.

spy it definitely is N.O.T.
abbe
double posted from here cuz maybe it belongs here ?? whatever


QUOTE (NYC Guy @ Oct 30 2007, 12:20 PM) *
None of this is surprising. I know a very prominent restaurateur in NYC who is Asian phobic (??), if that is what one can call it. I have never heard him say an unkind word about Asians or anything of that sort but he absolutely cringes if he is even near one. I have no idea where he is coming from on this one but his face just changes dramatically.

Just last evening I introduced him to my date and he managed the weakest smile I have ever seen. He just freaks out.

Another time, he stopped by to say hello one evening and went by my office. He saw a friend on my computer checking her email and he wanted to know "why is there an Asian girl in your office?".

I guess he does not eat Chinese food or is planning any trips to Asia but it gets silly sometimes too. A year ago, we were in a lounge with some other people and the one Asian in the whole place happened to be our waitress and I could see him getting very uncomfortable. He actually asked her if we could see a waitress "we want to order some drinks". She said "I am your waitress". He almost died that night. ohmy.gif ohmy.gif ohmy.gif



QUOTE (NYC Guy @ Oct 30 2007, 01:51 PM) *
I was trying to disguise his personality with the "prominent restaurateur", hahahaha

It is so weird though...

Yes I know all about his partner. He is ballsy. He stopped his RR on West Broadway a few years ago in mid day near Cipriani and got out to chat up some model types. The racket from the cars honking etc only made him nervier. The girls were thrilled that someone could do all that for them. (morons)...

No that maneuver does not happen with Asian females, however his partner is less inclined to discriminate either.

Actually it was an Asian free zone last evening with the exception of my small posse. It will remain so I imagine since I only stop by once a year. ohmy.gif ohmy.gif ohmy.gif



well well ISN'T THIS INTERESTING


QUOTE
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08222008/gossi...suit_125508.htm
RACE CARD IN CLUB LAWSUIT

August 22, 2008 --

TWO cocktail waitresses are suing nightclub king Scott Sartiano, claiming he canned all the black and Asian waitresses at 1Oak so he could replace them with white girls. In a suit in Manhattan Federal Court, Cecilia Shim and Laurence Brown claim 1Oak manager Frank McHugh said he was firing them on July 8 on order from Sartiano, who allegedly told him: "What's the point of having girls if we can't [bleep] them?" But Ken Sussmane, a lawyer for the West 17th Street club, told us, "These disgruntled employees were fired for poor work performance in addition to four other Caucasian employees fired that same week." He said the club would countersue for defamation with an affidavit from McHugh "adamantly denying these fabricated allegations."
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08222008/gossi...suit_125508.htm


hmmmm
Jam£s™
doesn't the manager dude have an asian fetish going on..?

haha

strange how it all works out...
abbe
QUOTE (Jam£s™ @ Aug 22 2008, 04:36 PM) *
doesn't the manager dude have an asian fetish going on..?

rolleyes.gif
yah yah


you call it "fetish"

i call it: EXCEPTIONAL TASTE.

tongue.gif
Ferret-n-Chicken!
QUOTE (abbe @ Aug 22 2008, 09:51 AM) *
double posted from here cuz maybe it belongs here ?? whatever








well well ISN'T THIS INTERESTING




hmmmm

ohmy.gif ohmy.gif
Ferret-n-Chicken!
QUOTE (abbe @ Aug 24 2008, 03:34 PM) *
rolleyes.gif
yah yah


you call it "fetish"

i call it: EXCEPTIONAL TASTE.

tongue.gif

ACtually don't you call it Yellow Fever!!!??? laugh.gif ohmy.gif tongue.gif
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